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Welcome to the Light Her Project Podcast,
Real Women.
I'm Rachel Strella.
And I'm Vixen Divine.
Welcome, welcome.
So we're on episode five.
This is amazing.
Season two.
Let's check in, you know, how's your week
going so far?
Well, I'll tell you, I have had a
fantastic week as normal, but a little bit
more.
See, I got early Mother's Day presents.
So I think they kind of had to ask for
this, what I wanted.
So I got two things, one from my son.
I got the Dyson Airwrap hair styler.
Yeah.
And.
I got an ice cream maker.
I know that may not seem, but this is like
the, what is it?
Ninja 11 in 1, you know, it makes these
fancy coffee drinks and it makes gelato
and ice cream and like so many experiments
to be had.
Oh boy.
Well call me when it's done, I'll come
over and I'll have some.
problem.
Taste testing, taste testing.
Well that sounds wonderful.
My mom just got her Mother's Day gift from
me today.
So yeah, it's that tis season.
Happy early Mother's Day.
Yeah, about that time, thanks.
My life's going great, by the way.
Normally, you know, there's always like
doom gloom over here, but, you know, I
always try to do something with
circumstances.
And as you know, you know, I had that that
scare with breast cancer and I decided to
write about it on my blog.
It's a very comprehensive piece and you
know, it might be a little controversial
to some, but I've gotten really, really
great feedback about it and hundreds of
people have read it and are still reading
it.
So I think it's going to help a lot of
women and that's important to me.
It is.
I mean, it's a lot of people have strong
feelings about it, you know.
Yay or nay, they just had super
experiences and they're so glad they did
it.
And some people are like, why am I ever
doing this thing?
You know, so yeah, people have strong
feelings about it.
So I think it will help people.
Yeah.
Hey, I'm excited.
I'm-- writing is my thing.
It's my jam.
So I'm excited.
All right.
Well, today's topic is all about self
care.
And we're really going to touch on to like
the risks of well neglecting that self
care and what that looks like.
So this topic seems right up your alley,
Vixen.
Love it.
So we're really gonna unpack that but
we'll start out with a little activity
which has been going well for us at the
beginning of these episodes.
So we both took a quiz from the Blissful
Mind.
So the theblissfulmind.com and this is
about a three minute quiz and it asks
seven questions.
It's so simple.
So I highly recommend just trying it out
if you're curious about...
kind of your self -care regimen and what
that could look like.
So for me, my results, well, it wasn't
anything I didn't expect.
I could use a little bit more of physical
self -care.
So with that, you know, the exercise, the
sleep, and that's not surprising to me.
I like massages, you know, I like...
anything I can do to make myself feel
better.
Now that's a little passive, you know, if
I actually have to eat greens and sleep
eight hours, a little harder for me.
So I think it was kind of spot on.
What about, what about you Vixen?
I'm a junkie as far as information.
I'm a junkie for information.
So mine actually said I needed more mental
self -care because I do like the
meditating, the journaling, the watching
Ted Talks, the nonfiction books, you know,
reading, like that kind of thing.
I am a mental junkie.
Like I would rather take a course.
than to watch TV.
Just information, information,
information.
So this was right where I, it would, more
exercise?
No.
Hahaha!
No, no, I'm not going to do.
I'm not even going to volunteer to do
that.
If I'm running, it's because something's
chasing me.
Understand that, OK?
That's the only reason that's happening.
So, yeah, information that was where and
that that's right where I want to be like
the mental.
I can do that all day long.
Forget vacation.
I can sit down and read a book and I'm
doing in the backyard.
I'm doing good.
So you felt like it was a fair assessment.
Okay.
Well, I totally encourage everyone to try
it out.
And one of the cool things too is it gives
you specific self -care ideas.
Like it says for me, eating meals at
regular times, drinking more water, you
know, going for a walk daily, stuff like
that.
So it gives you a couple of tips.
It even gives you like a playlist for
relaxation and stuff.
So kind of cool.
All right.
Well.
Um, let's just kind of dive into this
topic a little bit.
You know, Vixen, you're probably the best
person to really talk about what exactly
self care is.
Self -care, I think when people think of
self -care, they always think of, okay,
self -care, they gotta go to the spa, they
gotta put cucumbers on their eyes.
Now, don't get me wrong, that is an aspect
of self -care, but that is not all that it
is.
What self -care really is, is something to
bring you mentally and physically down
back to homeostasis.
And homeostasis means when your body is in
exactly the way it's supposed to be.
And now, at least in the United States and
the regular, most people, I don't mean if
you like live on a farm or something, but
most average people are living with high
stress on a daily basis.
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta get done, da da
da da da da da like.
And that not is their, like you said your
jam?
That is not their jam.
They are there because they have to be.
So bringing it back down to a relaxing
pinpoint for them, however it is, like you
said, yours is, well, mine is reading a
book, you know, just mental, yours is
physical, whatever it is, bringing it back
for you and it has to be enjoyable for
you.
Like I said, the exercise is not going to
be enjoyable for me.
So whatever it is, it has to be enjoyable
for you or else you won't do it.
But yeah, so bringing yourself back to
homeostasis, that is what self -care is.
So there's different forms of that.
And then we'll talk about that in a little
while.
Yeah, that's really interesting because,
you know, I was doing some research just
trying to figure out, okay, so what are
the different factors?
I mean, you just mentioned like mental and
physical.
I saw as little as four and as many as
like eight or nine different factors that
come into this whole self -care thing.
I mean, from emotional, physical,
financial, environmental, intellectual,
social, occupational.
So there's like so many things here.
So, you know, are you thinking that self
-care is primarily summed up in sort of
the mental and physical, if you had to
like categorize it?
I do because the reason is because the
stress level, for instance, you're in
financial woes, right?
If you're in financial woes, then you
probably have stress, elevated your stress
level.
If you didn't have that, you would be more
in homeostasis.
So that is causing like a cause of the
mental.
Okay, that makes sense.
Contributes to it, absolutely.
as opposed to it being its own thing, it's
really not its own thing.
It contributes to other things.
So that's where, yeah, those aspects come
into play, but they all trickle into those
couple of things.
All that makes sense.
Okay, I totally agree with you there.
You know, it's funny because, so I've been
having pain for about 15 months now
that...
despite everything that I've tried to do,
they have not fully identified the source
of the pain.
Pain management doctors, neurosurgeons,
orthopedic surgeons, PTs, now I'm in
acupuncture.
What's going on?
Like, why can't we figure out what's the
source of the pain?
And so we have a theory that it could be
something called the psoas muscle.
And what's really interesting about that
muscle is that...
Um, that muscle takes the brunt of
emotional and mental, um, anguish, you
know, cause it has to release somewhere.
If you're in stress mode all the time,
it's like fight or flight.
Like your body goes through a whole
process of fight or flight.
And then what happens, you know, once
you've calmed down.
And so that muscle almost kind of takes
that brunt of it.
And I totally believe that's me.
I've had so many stressful instances the
past few years that it would, that it just
makes sense.
But it's amazing how much that mental
affects that physical aspect, like
something that really truly like direct
effects that you're not just like, oh, my
stomach hurts because I don't I'm upset.
But like.
does.
That's why when you're having, when you
have a bad environment, like you hate your
job, for instance, say you hate your job
and you're know you're about, say you
clock in at 8 a.m.
That's by 7 a.m.
Sometimes if you really hate your job, you
can be physically sick.
You can really not feel well, just the
anxiety of knowing that you are going to
that job.
And it will physically manifest in you.
And that's why I said it really comes,
whatever the factors are, it really comes
into and trickles into those two factors.
That makes sense.
Totally does.
I mean, I've always believed in that mind
-body connection, but it's very real.
Well, let's talk about how we can actually
achieve self -care.
I mean, obviously, you know, knowledge is
power and awareness of certain aspects
that are a deficit are important.
What else do you think we could be doing
to achieve this homeostasis and self -care
routine?
Well, here's the thing.
I think people try to piece it together.
You can achieve self -care, but not in
pieces.
It is like we talk about trickling into
something.
People will try, OK, well, they don't like
their job, so they get a new job, right?
But then their finances are stressed.
So you got a new job, which helps,
obviously, in your situation.
But then,
you know, you still don't make enough
money or you're paying something out
that's, you know, your car costs too much
or whatever the case is.
So there's still stress there who's
bringing it together.
So you can't piece it.
If you're going to get treated or you're
going to try to get yourself into
homeostasis, you have to honestly evaluate
the whole you.
And find out your sources, because it's
going to be more than one.
Your sources of where you're not in
balance.
Mm -hmm.
Makes total sense.
Okay.
So let's talk about our favorite, you
know, self -care kind of routines or
things that we do.
I know I personally, I love massages.
It's that passive relaxation and I'm a
tense person and I'm an intense person so
that goes right to my shoulders and neck.
I have an at -home sauna, which I use at
least 3 or 4 times a week, and I love that
because just sometimes you just feel good
sweating and I'm like you, I mean, I
exercise, but it's not my favorite thing.
Like gives me that feeling like I did
something by just sitting there.
What about you?
sitting there, huh?
Okay.
I'm going to work on something that, you
know, I heard about this thing called lazy
yoga.
Did you ever hear about it?
Did you ever hear about it?
Okay, so I haven't tried it yet.
I'll keep you up to date on that.
But I'm like lazy yoga.
Okay, this is interesting to me.
The fact that it's lazy in front of it.
Okay, that's something for me.
But.
What I currently like to do for self -care
is it gives me actually a pick -me -up if
I do my skincare.
If I do my skincare, it gives me a pick
-me -up because I can see the difference
before and after.
I love to see that and I love to create
something.
I love to be on the computer and create a
PDF, create a...
website create, although as intense
because I'm not the best at it, as intense
it is for me.
I just love to me, I would I'd much rather
do that for me that getting something
done, getting something accomplished is
like for me self care.
I got it done.
I did it.
And for me, that's a mental win.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I definitely agree
with that.
And that was actually one of the questions
that they asked on that quiz.
You know, what, like, what gives you the
most satisfaction?
And it could be a myriad of things.
One of them was like, you know,
accomplishing something on your to do
list.
So I'll agree with that.
But I find like, especially in my job, I
go down five different rabbit holes for
every one project that I try to
accomplish.
And sometimes it's like, by the time I'm
finally done with that project,
I'm wiped.
So that sense of accomplishment kind of
like goes out the window.
Okay, okay.
I started recognizing rabbit holes.
I started recognizing rabbit holes and I
just about halfway down the hole I say,
okay, I see I'm in a rabbit hole here and
I back out.
I have learned to back out.
Yeah.
I don't always have that opportunity, but
I get what you're saying.
Sometimes you can really go too far down
that rabbit hole and then you're like,
wait a minute, I don't know how to get
back.
Well here's the thing I start and I want
to create a home page for my website but
suddenly I'm creating a PDF on how to do
you know one thing that was one aspect of
the website that I didn't even it I'm like
oh
Okay, so I never got that done, the home
page done, but I got something completely
different that I didn't even know I
needed.
Yep, tends to happen.
This is why I let people do all that stuff
for me, because I'll overthink it.
Now, I will say I do that with writing,
and writing is an outlet for me.
It's a huge outlet, but it also can create
anxiety because I, when you're, if you're
a writer, you know that every word like
matters and I feel like every word, like
it's a permanent thing, writing.
you know, there's a permanency to it.
So like every word has to be perfect, you
know, so I can easily spend what I
intended, maybe two hours on a post, like
20 hours later, you know, overanalyzing
one part of it.
But hey you know it's an outlet like I
still think there are you know things that
are like painting or whatever it is that
is kind of enjoyable but can also be
something that is just a creative outlet
for you that can be self -care.
It can!
Creativity can totally bring your mind
down.
It can bring you, it can take you,
especially if you are that, you're not
just creating something, you are actually
a creative person.
It can actually bring that spirit out of
you and it can be such a calm and such a
relaxation for someone to do that if
that's their thing.
That's their thing totally.
I own the fact that I love coloring and
I'm 43, but I love, if you give me a
coloring book and crayons, I'll go to
town.
I like coloring, it's an outlet for me.
It's like something I can do and I feel
fulfilled.
I don't know why.
You know what?
I like that creativity.
I like calligraphy.
I like the calligraphy.
I think that's so creative and I, but it
actually gives me anxiety to do it.
So no, not even that.
What it is is if I'm doing something like
calligraphy or coloring or something like
that,
as creative and as beautiful as it is, the
anxiety is where I feel like I'm wasting
my time and I could be doing something
else.
I could see that as somebody who's like a
chronic overachiever.
When I do things that are more of a hobby,
you almost sometimes could feel like
guilty like should I be doing something
like a little more productive, but you got
to remember that is productive.
You need an outlet like you need that, you
know.
Hence why I say, you know, it's the mental
self care.
That's why I can totally relax.
Even though it seems like work to be
learning that new thing, I really feel at
peace and accomplished in learning that
new thing.
Hmm, I could see that.
Strange.
Well...
You know, self -care, man, I know that I
feel women struggle with it more than men,
but before we even go down that rabbit
hole, you know, let's talk about what
happens when you don't engage in self
-care.
What do you think, Vixen?
When you do not oh so this means okay let
me tell you what that means when you don't
engage in self -care what that means is
you are doing things continuously and
continuously and over and over that don't
serve you they don't serve you it gives
you anxiety it is something that you
probably have to do for other people.
And you're not doing for yourself.
So yourself, you are in a constant state
of woe.
So you haven't taken the time to stop.
You haven't taken the time to be at peace
with yourself, no matter how, whatever
your form is, you haven't taken that time.
Now, physically, remember we talked
earlier about that physical, how it shows
up.
You can actually make yourself physically
sick.
You can act, you actually can.
I've seen this in the nursing aspect of my
career.
You can, and people see it as that
syndrome that doesn't exist.
When people say, oh, I'm in pain, but
nothing, you don't see anything.
It doesn't show up on anything.
It doesn't show.
They can feel it, but it really doesn't.
physically exist until you make it exist.
Because there was your body does its best
to make you feel good to keep you in
check, but it can only go so far.
And once you keep doing it over and over
and over again, it just can't hold it
anymore.
So that so physical is a big aspect.
And then there's the mental.
There is the mental breakdown to where,
not necessarily complete breakdown, but to
where you get to the point when you just
can't take it anymore.
And that's when people, they just shut the
world out.
Sometimes they will have depression.
Sometimes they will have, because they
just can't.
It's just they can't.
And people are at them.
I need this, I need that, can you do this,
can you do that?
And they can't say no and then when they
finally get too much that's where the
mental aspect comes in.
So if you do a little bit, even if you do
a little bit of self -care, start
somewhere.
It'll take some weight off of your brain
and off of your body.
Yeah, I totally see that.
As somebody like I said as an
overachiever.
You know, when I actually get through my
list of whatever it is I'm supposed to be
doing, I'm like, what else should I be
doing?
You know, sometimes you just need to know
when to let your foot off the gas and take
that break, you know, and step away.
Stepping away is important.
Yeah, yeah, I really like that the books,
the effortless and those types of books
because one of the quotes that he says in
those books are, do not do more today than
you can fully recover from by tomorrow.
That should be on every overachiever's
like screensaver because it's so easy for
you to be like, what else can I get done
and get ahead of tomorrow?
Exactly.
And that's.
don't think people, it's an awareness.
I really think it's an awareness.
And it's not till you hit rock bottom or
something happens that it's too much that
you actually address it.
Yeah, if you are an overachiever, a go,
go, go, go, go person, then you will just
keep going and suck it up.
And you think, you know, later, later,
later, and you will hit bottom.
But I am encouraging all those people who
are listening, who, if you're that person,
understand that you haven't hit rock
bottom yet, but don't wait till you do.
It's so much easier
to do one or two, you know, 15 minutes of
something, then when you hit that rock
bottom and you are at that capacity, it's
harder to get out of that.
And sometimes, honestly, sometimes, you
know, those are places where we don't want
to be.
We're talking depression, we're talking
suicide, we're talking really mental
health.
That's not somewhere that you really want
to be.
No.
No.
And when you figure it out too late, like,
you're kind of beyond, I mean, that's just
not a place that you can come back from
easily.
So, I mean, let's face it, we think, I
think that women obviously probably take
on a lot more as far as what they take on
in day -to -day life.
And they tend to put themselves last, you
know?
So I think that there's neglect there
sometimes.
So, what do you think we can do to get the
ladies to like start being more aware of
this and take care of themselves a little
bit more?
Well, a lot of times we're taught that.
We are taught to take care of other
people.
And then there's the motherly instinct
where you take care of other people and
then they're grown, but you're still
taking care of other people.
So it is something that...
You have to recognize it is a physical
awareness as you spoke of awareness that
of what you're doing because just to look
at it you don't recognize it as a bad
thing because there in most societies this
is how it's taught.
So this is very accepted and in some cases
you just don't even say anything you you
are not supposed to talk about you if
something is wrong with you.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That is not acceptable.
No.
No.
So you have to take a stand.
You have to understand, even if it's a
silent stand and you go into your room for
15 minutes or you just, I mean, if they
notice that you disappear for 15 minutes,
there's an issue anyway.
You know, you should be able to go in some
space for 15 minutes.
and do something that you like.
Totally.
You know, what prompted me to even talk
about this whole episode topic was Lindsay
Lohan randomly popped up on my feed on
YouTube and I like fall asleep on the
couch.
I wake up in the middle of the night.
I can't get back to sleep when I go
upstairs to bed.
So I'm scrolling and I'm like, wow, I
haven't heard that name in a while.
And so I started to like, you know, follow
that rabbit hole to find out that like,
you know, she's back, you know, and back
in front of the camera and back in
business.
She took a long break there.
But if you think about what you remembered
of Lindsay Lohan, probably wasn't the best
stuff.
It was DUIs and fights and drama.
And she totally turned her life around and
she struggled with sobriety and she's been
in recovery, but she's healthy.
And she's had a baby not too long ago.
But what I was interested in me was I last
Sunday, I was on Instagram.
I started following her on Instagram.
And she was like, you know, Sunday self
care, you know, tips, journaling and read
a book and yoga.
And I'm like, who are you?
What happened to you?
This is interesting.
And it was actually refreshing.
So I've been following her, been
interested in what she's saying, always an
advocate for people who have turned their
life around in some aspects and have come
to the other side to tell other people
their story and help other people.
And I think that I never would have said
20 years ago that I think that, you know,
Lindsay Lohan is an inspiration, but I do
think she,
She is and I mean not even like just
10 years ago I wouldn't have said that you
know but I she's definitely turned a new
leaf.
I think she's an example.
She's an example.
Remember we talked about hitting rock
bottom?
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
That if you think about her story, if
anyone recalls, and if you don't
understand what we're talking about, feel
free to Google this.
But she was at rock bottom to the point
people didn't want to work with her.
She wasn't showing up.
You didn't get a lot worse than that, how
she was.
So the fact that she was able to, and I'm
sure with help.
that she was able to turn her life around
is something definitely inspirational.
But one thing to note is as lay regular
people, we don't always have that same
type of help that, you know, the people
around us.
So it is important that you find one or
two people or.
For me, I'd probably find an online coach
or something.
But someone, in some way, to help you get
through it, recognize wherever you are.
And if it's not a good place, recognize
where you are and get some help here.
Don't wait till the end.
And there's different levels of help.
It may be something as small as a course,
like an online course for $30.
But.
It could be as much as you know, a
thousand dollars a month for you know, the
best online coach or whatever you can
whatever you can do in the middle there.
But it's don't wait till you get to
Lindsay Lohan status.
Because she had help getting back, I can
assure you and it wasn't the $30 course.
No, no, absolutely.
You know, and a lot of these celebrities
that have done that, they have had that
support, you know, both with people in
their lives, but also financially and
otherwise.
So, you know, first thing is recognizing
it and then not being afraid to ask for
help, whatever that looks like.
Yeah, absolutely.
want to get out of bed this morning.
I had a bad day yesterday.
And you know what?
Vixen says, I'll give you one hour.
And then you gotta get up.
I said, all right, I'm gonna hydrate and
reset.
But sometimes you just need somebody to be
like, you're allowed to have a, you're
allowed to have a pity party for yourself
for an hour and then you gotta get back on
the horse.
All right.
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