PODCAST TRANSCRIPT
Welcome to episode 19 of the Light Her
Project Podcast.
Real Women.
Real talk.
I'm Rachel Strella.
and I'm Vixen Divine.
Thank you so much for tuning in today.
Today's topic is beauty fixes without
surgery.
So believe it or not, this is our final
episode of season one of the podcast.
So sad, so sad.
So we decided that we discussed this topic
because our first very first podcast on
body image was our most popular episode.
Very fitting, right?
Yep, most people want to know about that.
This topic is right up your alley, Vixen.
Given your expertise as a licensed
esthetician and massage therapist, you are
also in the nursing industry, right?
Yep, yep, did a lot of that.
All right, well, dive right in because I
know we've got a lot of expertise to share.
So let's start out with our personal
experiences.
You know, for me, as I age, this topic
becomes more and more relevant.
And as a woman, there are always things
that bother me.
So we started this whole podcast I opened
up about getting plastic surgery and how
painful and ultimately unhelpful it was.
So I'm always open to learning about ways
that we can improve ourselves without the need for surgery.
Yeah, if surgery is, I always feel like
surgery should be a last resort or the
beginning of someone who's very, very
determined and directed.
That should never be taken lightly.
There should be like a lot of aftercare
planned if you decide to do that, go that way.
But for personal experiences and, you
know, we talked about body images and that sort of thing, I
I think I have shared previously that I
have always been conscious of my body
image because I was, you know, in
pageantry.
I was a model.
So it was it was all about image, what you
look like, how you stood, how you presented yourself.
It was always about that.
Even, yeah, good grades in school, got
good grades in school.
Very, very good.
I just happened to be smart in that way.
But at that same time then it was also that
kind of side thing about that.
So I've always been conscious of that.
So at an early age, I was always able to
start learning about makeup, skincare,
that sort of thing.
So then it kind of went into that
profession that, but then caring about
your body as you do it, cause I know
you've all seen some fails, just basic
fails, just looking at like, why did you
do that?
So, there's a lot to be said on this topic.
Well, for me, I mean, I've already
answered this question, but is it positive
or negative to go the route of
non-surgical solutions?
You know, and I, for me, I know, I think
anytime you can avoid surgery, the better.
I don't know if you want to expand on that
anymore.
Yeah, well, here's the thing about
non-surgical solutions.
Either way, honestly, surgery should be
reserved, in my opinion, should be
reserved for the person who is basically
at the end, at their wit’s end.
In other words, they weigh 500 pounds, you
know, and they're at that time when it is
like life, like you need to get this off.
But at that same time then, if you're
gonna go the surgical route, you need to
have, and this is the part that I see a
lot of people mistake.
They think it's a one and done.
There should be a lot of aftercare to make
that successful.
There's all kinds of ways this can go
really, really bad, really, really quick.
And I've seen those happen.
So as far as non-surgical and surgical,
that's...
a big difference to consider.
Also though, for non-surgical people, I
see this a lot, people mistake
non-surgical for non-invasive.
So just because you are not having surgery
does not mean it's not invasive.
There are some procedures from an
aesthetic point of view.
You can be, you can look like hamburger
meat at the end.
There is blood involved.
There's anesthesia involved.
One that comes to mind that's really,
really common is micro-needling.
Because there's different depths to it.
Literally, you can be numbed for
micro-needling and you can be bloody.
It goes in like there's different depths
to it.
So just don't mistake, just know what
you're getting into.
Non-surgical for non-invasive, that
doesn't mean the same thing.
I’m really glad you pointed that out and I'm
also really glad that you mentioned that
the surgery post-op and pre-op are very
critical because both of those were fails
for me in my surgical solution and had
they been done correctly I think the
outcome would have been a lot better.
Well, so while we're talking about
cosmetic surgery, how much cosmetic surgery is too much?
I mean, let's face it, we've all seen
those folks who have had too much.
The plucking, the celebs especially, you
know, and there’s shows dedicated to his like Botched.
You know, I think the real housewives of
Salt Lake City, the one gal owns a beauty
lab, laser place, you know, her friends
get treatments in there all the time, you
know, whatever it is that they need.
Oh, so what do you, I don't know Vixen,
how much is too much?
For the average person, the only reason we
know about celebrities, honestly, is
because they're celebrities.
People are, you know, they're taking
pictures of them all the time, but there
are plenty of botched surgeries that we are
not aware of.
Unless we're friends with the person who
got, you know, we're not in sight with the
person two towns away or whatever, we
don't see those people because paparazzi
is not following them around.
But there are, feel free to look, I always
say Google it, feel free to look it up.
There is plenty of statistics about
botched about botched surgeries.
But how much is too much for the average
person?
One to two period.
Meaning, because there's sometimes this
happens when you were growing up, oh my
God, you got so teased about your nose.
You hate your nose.
It's to you, it looks like it's from here
to two blocks over.
It's the first thing people see and you
cannot stand it.
That is a case.
That self-esteem is probably way down
about your, you know, that brings you, you
don't think you're beautiful because of
your nose.
And it's been so long.
Like that is, to me, is a case for surgery
to get your rhinoplasty done because that
will get all around, that'll just bring
your self-esteem up.
It's been so long, so many years, that
type of thing.
And then maybe if you want one other
thing, you know, something.
But that should be it for the average
regular person.
There should be no reason other than a
medical reason, like a breast reduction or something.
Other than that, just, you shouldn't get,
be getting just that done.
I agree with that.
And I, you know, I think that it can be
addicting to get surgery and you see like
a noticeable difference and like, what
else can I get done next?
That's how it is with these TV shows that
I see, you know, it's like, oh, well, that turned out great.
Now I want to get my knees done.
So, well, let's talk about let's talk
about quick fixes, because I'm guilty of this.
So the lose weight fast or take the pill a
day and you'll turn back the clock.
20 years, you know. How can you tell, you
know, a scam from what's real?
So I said, I'm guilty of this.
I get served so many ads on Facebook.
They know that what I'm looking for.
And the best way that I could tell like
something real from a scam is by reading
all the reviews and reading all the
comments, like, especially if I see a
Facebook ad, if I see, you know,
500 comments, I'm going to read through all of them.
I want to know a good, bad, and ugly.
But I won't just trust like whatever's on
their Amazon.
Like I wanna know what's being said.
That's the only way I've been able to
decipher what's the real deal and like
what's just a complete bogus scam and
you're wasting your money.
Well, even the ones that are not a waste
of money are super expensive.
Like the big one now is Ozempic or
anything like Ozempic.
It is not, it was not designated for that
originally, but all the stars and the
affluence are using it and it works.
It works, it'll set you back a whole lot
of money.
And so honestly,
it's one of those things that we know that
works because it's been in the news, we've
seen it, that sort of thing.
But when you see those ads that you're
talking about, you have to really be
prepared, look at the money back
guarantee.
Because honestly, just because, like if
I'm the person selling it, just because it
worked for me, doesn't mean it's gonna
work for you.
Our bodies are not the same.
And yes, maybe I used that, but maybe I
used something else that I didn't mention.
So yes, that was a part of it.
So basically what I'm saying is a lot of
times they're not telling the entire truth.
Um, and the black and white meaning, okay,
you take this, this is the weight you're going to lose.
There's a whole lot behind that.
So if you're looking, or if you're really
skeptical, you can read all the reviews
like you talked about, or you can just
like prepare to
But if you think it's gonna fail, just
don't buy it.
Just don't buy it.
I always just
ask you first.
I'll be like, oh, so those things people
wearing under their eyes, are gonna work for me?
Yeah, no.
Some things I see, like some things you
show me, I see.
And I'm just like, yeah, that's not going
to do anything at all.
I, you know, you're right though.
It's, it's, everyone is different.
And one of the things again, I like about
not just reviews, but reading comments on
posts is like people will be like, Oh,
that girl's like 20, 20 years old.
You know, I'm 55 and, and was it going to
work for me?
And then other people like in that age
group are going to comment and be real.
So that's what I like about reading
all the comments.
One thing to be careful of in comments
though, when you read the comments,
because I've seen this a million times, I have seen a
comment about a product that is not about the product.
The comment is one star.
Why is it one star?
It came to me broken.
Or that bottle's too small.
Or they never even tried the product.
It is not about the product at all.
But they gave it a one star because of
something else.
Or they're really happy because they had
great customer service.
Nothing to do with the product.
Right.
I know what I'm in social media, Vixen.
I could tell the difference.
So I’m doing research, my homework,
you know, I can tell.
All right, let's talk about and this is
going to be a question for you all around
Vixen, what are some valid, you know,
that you know, tried and true non surgical
options for some of the common issues that
women face things like
Sagging skin, wrinkles,
weight gain, cellulite.
That's a lot to unpack.
Well, I'll tell you one of the most
reliable, there are things that come and go.
In this industry, honestly, there's the
new, there's the newer new and there's the
newest new, honestly.
Not to say the new and the newest new are
not working, but if you're gonna pick
something that you, from here to
yesterday, till tomorrow, that you know is
going to work for sagging skin and
wrinkles, radio frequency.
On all honesty,
that's going to work.
That's going to work every single time.
Why’s that?
Because it's actually FDA approved,
believe it or not.
The radio frequency actually goes through
the skin.
It warms up the tissue, and it adds a
element of distress to the tissue
to where then they go back and they need
to repair themselves.
So when they, they're basically rebuilding
themselves.
And when they do that, of course you have
fresher skin, you have plumper skin, right?
The collagen starts to come out, but you
have to drink a million gallons of water.
You have to be hydrated, hydrated.
I'm exaggerating when I say a million, but
you have to be really, really hydrated
because it does work in conjunction with
that.
Which is not hard to do, especially if you
know you have an appointment coming up,
but radio frequency number one hands down.
That can and that can do two things there
is an element to it that can lift sagging
skin, but at a different frequency it can
also shrink your body. So that's where the
professionals come in.
You know, with that, so if you get
something, and I haven't seen anything for home use.
So if you get something for home, they
might be out there, you know, because it
comes every day, they change all the time.
If you get something for home use that is
radiofrequency, make sure it comes with
specific directions, first of all.
Don't get any radiofrequency for your
body.
If it says for your body, don't buy it,
don't.
As a lay person, do not buy that because
that is, that's way, no, don't do that.
But there may be, you know, they come out
with these little gadgets that you can use
on your face sometimes, that sort of
thing.
So if you find a little something like
that, then you can probably buy it with
because it's probably not the strength.
I would think that it would be like in my
office, but it's a little something that
gets you in between.
Same thing with cold.
Cold back in the day, years, years ago, if
you wanted your face to be lifted and stiff and like
right there, you would literally dump your
face in cold water, like ice cold water,
you dump your face in it, leave it there
so you can't breathe anymore, then you come up.
But the cold will actually, temporarily of
course, but for that day make your face nice and tight.
So along that line, cryotherapy, and
that's where that kind of thing, cryotherapy
is great for that occasion that you're
having, your family reunion, your special thing.
So if you wanna get, you can be a series
which will get you along more permanent.
But if you just need like that thing that
you're going to, that is great lifter,
great life, safe.
And that's something you can do.
They have the ice balls and they have the
little roller ice, but cold will do it, cold will do it.
Those are tried and true.
It also works with cellulite, but weight
gain.
Let me tell you about weight gain.
Weight gain is one of those things that if
you have it, and again, let's go with the family reunion.
Go into the family reunion and you have
gained a few pounds and just can't quite
get into the dress that you want to get
into.
The fastest way at home for you to do
something is, they have these things called waist snatchers.
I know.
Some people call it cinchers.
Some people call it corsets.
Some people call it that kind of thing.
But back in the day, you would actually,
they have what they call bones in them.
Like actually, they really hold you in and
they give you that appearance of.
Yeah, I mean, I've seen that.
Yes.
But you have to look around to find a good
one.
Because there's a lot of junk out there
that you'll be spilling out over here,
even though you're cinched over there.
So I advise for you to buy the ones with
the straps up top.
And it goes all the way down to the
mid-thigh.
You're completely covered.
Everything is in.
And your dress will
go on nice and smooth.
It will fall nicely.
So if you have that kind of emergency,
because there is nothing other than
surgery, and I'm telling you the truth,
ladies, there is nothing other than
surgery that is going to make you look
thinner quickly.
Wow, okay.
All right.
I mean, I've seen Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with
the Wind, they just squeeze and squeeze and squeeze.
That works
that works.
They have shapewear that claims to do that
now, but I've never tried it.
But I do see a lot of things on those ads
that go by that you can lose 10 pounds on
a weekend just by doing this cleanse or
20 pounds by Tuesday,
you know, by using this skinny thing.
So, you know, what's real, I don't know, I
haven't tried any of those.
I'll tell you what that is.
Usually that is a intestinal, basically an
intestinal dump.
So you're losing you on the scale it will
say you lost weight and you may breathe
you may feel a little lighter but it's not
going to help you get in that dress.
Mmm.
Yeah, so it's just water weight, it sounds
like.
And feces basically.
Okay, all right, so it might make you a
little less bloated, but okay.
No.
Hey, good to know because I'm always
willing to try things and now I know, stay away.
All right, so what's the optimal skincare
routine?
And you know me, if you're asking me that
question, I'm going to say soap and water.
So Vixen all you again.
Well, no, soap and water, like I think I
was saying earlier, soap and water,
there's different degrees of how bad that
could be, depending on the soap and the
water, believe it or not.
If you have hard water, like that even
makes a difference.
The type of water that you have even makes
a difference.
And the type of soap that you have, if
you're using Dove, that is one quarter moisturizing.
Or you're using Zest that's zestfully
clean.
Those are different soaps, absolutely
different soaps.
So you're probably going to look more like
a prune over here.
You're not gonna look that great over
here, but you're definitely gonna look
like a prune over here because it's just
gonna dry out more.
So, and plus depending on the water that
you have.
So.
That could not entirely be really, really
bad, but it could be super bad.
But the optimal skincare routine is the
routine that's great for your skin type.
I see this mistake so often.
No matter what level of skincare products
that you have, anything from soap, all the
way to pharmaceutical grade skincare.
If you buy the skincare that is wrong for
your skin type, it's not gonna be effective.
It will be adversely effective actually.
I have seen, and I'm not making this up.
I have seen somebody, they get into their
thirties.
They start to get a few lines, wrinkles,
that kind of thing.
Not too many, just a few just starting.
Panic ensues.
They throw away everything.
They go to the store.
They buy the most anti-aging thing they
ever have.
And then guess what they have?
Pimples.
Yep.
I believe you.
I've been guilty of trying different
products just because why not?
This is bothering me.
And I got a rash from one.
I broke out from another.
So now Vixen has me on my own little
skincare routine.
And I haven't had any issues with that,
fortunately, but you're right.
It really does come down to your, what
works for you.
Seeing what everybody else is trying and
what works for them isn't necessarily the answer.
I would say, and even from a cost
perspective, some people, they're on a budget.
I get it.
You can't afford to go to an esthetician
once a month.
But I would say, even if you go once every
three months, once every six months, and
really once every three, because your
skincare kind of starts to run out about then.
So even if you went really once every
three months,
because then they can give you a good
clean, they can reevaluate your skin every
three months, and then you're properly
buying the products that you need to buy
to help you because skincare at home is
everything.
Because I only see you, what if I see you
once a month?
That's only one day out of those 30 days,
you see you most of that time, not me.
So those skincare at home routines,
essential.
Yep.
No, I agree with you.
I very much agree with you.
And I before I started seeing you Vixen,
it had been years since I had anybody that
was doing a facial or anything for my
skin.
So we had some backtracking to do and now
I have a regular process.
Had I had that 10 years ago, you know, maybe my skin
would look a little more like yours.
So well, all right, let's talk about
something a little bit different here.
You know, we're talking about looks and
appearance.
Happy on the inside, happy on the outside.
Now, what do you have to do internally to
see a result that you're happy with externally?
You know, and I think a lot of people do
this the opposite way, that they fix that
external thing to make them feel better
internally, you know?
And sometimes it does actually help, but
it's temporary.
You know?
And I think...
One of the things about being a woman too,
is that we have to remember that not every
day we will feel the exact same way.
You know, sometimes we love ourselves and
sometimes we don't.
You know, I think that's natural.
I think from my perspective what's most
important is that search for the internal
happiness, not just doing something
externally to constantly make up for that
internal unhappiness.
I agree with you.
I see a lot of what I like to call false
happiness.
And a lot of times that is overdone.
I see.
When I say and it's going to hurt some
people's feelings, but I see everything
I mean, when I say false, false eyelashes,
false nails, false hair like.
There is nothing real about you.
Like you have so, the makeup is like this
thick.
Like there is, you covered up so much of
you to make yourself feel better.
I mean, and the hair, the hair is
pristine.
You know, it's all, you know, great.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great job.
But you have done so much covered up,
covering up like.
Are you happy with yourself?
Like, is there a you in there?
Yeah, actually, it's interesting you bring
this up because I'm jealous of people who
have that totally awesome external look.
You know, like I'm like, I want to look
that good on camera, or whatever it is, you know.
So your perspective is different for me.
Really is I, you know, I had never thought
about you, how do I?
How do I look?
Do I look natural?
Well, you know what though, after, and
this is the thing, after so long of doing
that, it becomes, like you talked about
addicting, there's a saying called hooked
on the look.
So, even if you didn't in the beginning of
your doing that, think that was odd.
What happens is after you've been doing
that for so long, you have a certain expectation now
of what you look like when you look in the
mirror.
So then when you don't have those
eyelashes on, guess what, your lashes
aren't that long, right?
So now they don't look good, but they're
your lashes, but now they don't look good.
You don't have on that makeup and your
skin, oh, now it doesn't look good because
you don't have on makeup.
You know what I mean?
You have, your hair is not pristine, it's
not done.
It's not the weave, the wig, the hair is
not done.
So now...
You have your own and it doesn't look
good.
Because now you're hooked on the look of
that everything being perfect.
So now you don't like you.
Mm-hmm.
Now that doesn't
happen to everybody.
Just saying, just wanna put that out
there.
I was just talking to Natalie yesterday at
Tres Chic about this.
We were talking about Botox.
And you know, she said, have you ever
tried that or thought of that?
And I said, Vixen’s kind of warned me, you
know, against it.
But I also, you know, understand how that
could be addicting.
Like if you see a result from it, you want
that all the time.
So you want to keep going, going and
hooked on a look.
If you go without Botox for a year, you're
going to notice it and it's going to bother you then.
Right.
And that's you, you become addicted to
that altered look.
Now, as you do your skincare, as you do
your treatments, it's a, it's a slight process.
It's a slight change.
Whereas it's not so much of a change that
you, you know, you don't recognize you.
So you're just a better version of
yourself.
You're not altering your look.
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you.
Well, all right, so we're almost done
here.
We're gonna -- one more thing.
So along the same line, is an investment,
you know, in your appearance self care?
Or can it go the opposite way?
Is it more vanity of self obsession?
What is that line?
No, and I think it depends on how far you
do go.
Some people do really become obsessed and
I kind of liken it to people who have eating disorders.
You know, they never feel like they're
skinny enough.
You know, for a while tanning was all the
rage, you know, and they weren't tan enough.
So I do believe that it can go way too far
because you don't know what looks good
other than what it is that you feel like
you've been doing up to this point and
it's never enough.
Well, I think there's a way to gauge that.
This is a good way to start at least to
gauge it.
If...
Let's keep the example that I had a minute
ago with the person who does all these things, right?
If you can't go to the store without it,
if you're afraid to go in public without
it, if you're afraid to present you,
You know, without all of that, at any
point, there are people that will not
leave their house, like anywhere.
I understand you're going to work, you
know, an event or whatever, you're going
to work and this is the way you look at
work, but like they can't be at home.
I know a woman literally who will not wash
her makeup off until four in the morning
when her husband is asleep and then she
puts it right back on.
Wow, now that’s some insecurity.
It is, and it can become a crutch.
So think of it this way.
If it's something that you can't live
without, you feel like you cannot go out
there and be the regular you without all
of this stuff, that means you're addicted to it.
That's a problem.
That's something you want to.
And maybe to back off of it, if you're
hearing this, you're like, you know what?
That's me.
One thing at a time.
Don't just.
Maybe we'll start with like taking off
your lashes and using mascara.
Do you know what I mean?
Something like so one thing at a time till
you get used to that.
And then maybe you can go with like
wearing less makeup, you know, so back off
of it one thing at a time to help if
you're, if this is you we're talking about.
And then that way you can start because it
is a process the brain has got to actually
remember what you look like and accept
what you...
who you are and what you look like because now
it's accepted a different thing.
That's actually a really great point.
I'm really glad you brought this up.
This is some good stuff.
Well, we are coming to the end of the
podcast and this has been such a wild ride.
We've done 19 episodes.
We just were wrapping season one.
I've enjoyed every second of it.
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spring.
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